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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  Richard Oliver

  No, because no matter what I say and present actual facts it is dismissed because of your emotions. I never wanted to say that according to the DOJ only 12-24 percent of convicted abusers will re-offend, because it will get into emotions of everyone on here attacking me as being insensitive. Or the fact that the 1006 perpetrators were not only accused of sexual contact with a child but such things as inappropriate texting with a child or any number of things that could be construed as inappropriate activity with children, but of course I would be accused of trying to move the focus away from the abuse. No matter what facts I have said no one sees the facts only what you want to see of the suspected abuse.
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  2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

  pretty telling.. .

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  Richard Oliver

  Darkspilver. I agree with you not all law firms or lawyers are made equal some are better than others. But the lawyers now have to live with the persuasive and mandatory precedents that lesser lawyer helped set as case law.
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  2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

  pretty telling.. .

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  Richard Oliver

  The arc has produced more documents that has not been seen before, doesn't mean the are relevant or admissible in a US Court. Even the files that zalkin wants from the US Branch, the appeals court ruled, Lopez has the right to them as a matter of law when it comes to discovery, but that doesn't mean they are admissible evidence. In fact just last week the judge in that case made a ruling on a protective order. I am still waiting for it to be published before I can read it. But my point is not everything the plaintiff wants admitted will be admitted.
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  2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

  pretty telling.. .

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  Richard Oliver

  I am presenting actual facts here. One person on another thread said that this would be like a painting by numbers, so easy and such a easy slam dunk. Like I have said, obviously these firms feel they can win some cases, but it is not going to be easy to win. There are two things they have to prove first that abuse did occur which is a matter of fact that the jury has to decide. But there is theatter of liability which a judge will have to determine, as a matter of law, if Watchtower, had a fiduciary responsibility, a duty to warn and a duty to protect. That is why watchtower wins a lot of cases at the summary judgment level because they can show the judge that they didn't have any of those duties. On a previous thread someone posted a link to a Boston college law journal article. There are certain parts of you take alone sound like it is really easy to win, but the argument was, that religions cannot be held responsible for the actions of their members when their members are not performing religious activities as part of the religions faith and belief system. The determination of the judge as to the matters of the law is what will be hard to get past.
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  TV commercial seen in the United States, from a Law firm "Asking if you were ever sexually abused by JEHOVAHS WITNESSES, please call".

  by Dunedain in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ok, so i don't know if this is "old news", and if this has been seen, and or mentioned already.

  if it was, i do apologize, but i feel i have to mention what has been seen on tv, within the past 24 hours.. first off, i would like to say that i did not personally see this commercial.

  however, it was seen by someone that i can verify 100% is telling the truth, as it was my own father who saw it.

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  Richard Oliver

  Giordano:

  I don't know how much of your reference that you read, it is pretty long and very dense material but it is interesting to see how this commentator talks about religious lawsuits. Towards the end it speaks of fiduciary responsibility, as well as the liability of a religious organization when it comes to the actions of one of it's members.
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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  Richard Oliver

  Yeah sparrowdown. your right it isn't really that hard. You just make disparaging remarks to people that you don't like or agree with you. If you don't like facts that support something you just make up your own facts. And you use your opinion to prove things even though you have no proof. I don't know why I have been doing so much research when I can just be like everyone else here and just make up whatever I want, as long as I find people who agree with me, it must be true. This is so liberating.

  Oh btw I been trying to not be too disparaging to people but obviously that isn't how it is done here, but everyone knows that Raymond Franz was a fraud right. He was just pissed off and jealous that he wasn't as smart, popular or important as his uncle was. He was just a jealous petty man who could never accept those things.
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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  Richard Oliver

  I wish they would ruin ur life even more along with so many people on here. I wish they would sue you for defemation of character and lible. I wish they would sue you into bankruptcy. But that ain't going to happen so I guess I will have to accept you will just be kept this hurt.
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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  Richard Oliver

  sparrowdown. yup the chips will fall where the fall. Unfortunately because you don't do your own research and just allow other people to spoon feed you your opinion you don't know that the chips fall on the Watchtower side more often than not. This is especially when people want to take them to court. The win far more cases than they lose. And even the cases they lose and every ex-JW will point to as proof, it gets reversed on appeal. And the ultimate big boy, the federal government appeals cases they lose, so that is not a sign of arrogance or defiance it is a sign of playing fair by the rules that everyone gets to play by.
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  2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

  pretty telling.. .

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  Richard Oliver

  Joe Grundy:

  I appreciate your respectfulness. I am just repeating the rulings that both trial and appeal courts have rendered in the United States. Courts have ruled that just the association to an organization does not mean that the organization has a fiduciary duty to their members.

  Lewis v. Bellows Falls Congregation

  Holdings: The District Court, J. Garvan Murtha, J., held that:

  1 alleged conduct by church did not create fiduciary relationship between church and congregant;

  2 church allegedly had duty to provide reasonable supervision of its minister;

  3 no special relationship existed between the church and its minister, as required to give rise to church's duty to control minister;

  4 church had no duty to protect congregant; and

  5 church had no separate duty to warn its congregants, distinct from a duty to protect.

  
  

  In Anderson v Watchtower the court wrote this:

  The court in Moses first recognized that the relationship between a clergyman and parishioner was normally one involving trust and reliance, but further held that in order to be liable for a breach of fiduciary duty, the superior party must “assume a duty to act in the dependent party's best interest,” Moses, 863 P.2d at 322, language which is parroted in Ms. Anderson's allegations. The Moses court also found, however, that there must be an assumption of duty and that “[o]nce a member of the clergy accepts the parishioner's trust and accepts the role of counselor, a duty exists to act with the utmost good faith for the benefit of the parishioner.” Moses, 863 P.2d at 323 (emphasis added).

  
  

  DeCorso v Watchtower:

  
  

  Further, because the present case does not involve a minor child, it does not involve a “justifiable trust confided on one side” and a “resulting superiority and influence” on the other. This court declines to read specific requirements for a fiduciary relationship in a religious context into Connecticut law. Accordingly, the defendants' motion to strike the fourth count of the revised complaint is granted.

  
  

  Conti v Watchtower:

  
  

  Holdings: The Court of Appeal, Siggins, J., held that:

  1 congregation elders did not have any duty to warn the congregation about member's past child sexual abuse;

  2 congregation elders did not have any duty to warn child congregation member's parents about member's past child sexual abuse;

  3 elders did not have any duty under the negligent undertaking doctrine to warn parents about member's past child sexual abuse;

  4 organization and congregation had a duty to use reasonable care to restrict and supervise field service of member with history of child sexual abuse;

  
  

  These are just from a quick search in WestLaw. And again like I said, these firms obviously think that they can overcome it, but it is going to be an uphill battle. They will have to overcome a lot.

  
  
  
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  2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

  pretty telling.. .

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  Richard Oliver

  Precedent has been applied to if the abuse takes place during an official activty of Watchtower, such as in the Conti case when the abuse occurred in service. There are some others but in very narrow circumstances.